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High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

  • 1.  High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-19-2023 08:40 AM

    Hello!  I was hoping I could get some input from professionals in the packaging industry.  I am a Senior in high school and fell in love with the packaging industry.  I have found it so interesting and I'm excited to think my interests in math, science and art may come together.  I have toured two packaging science programs (Michigan State and RIT) and I've been accepted at both, but since I'm out of state (I live in western NY), Michigan State is rather expensive and so is RIT. 

    In your professional opinion, can someone pursue an engineering degree, like mechanical or industrial, and still find a path to be successful in the packaging field?  I realize a packaging major would be better but my family just can't afford either school and my parents told me we do not qualify for any needs-based assistance.  I want to be very careful about student loan burdens.  There are no state schools in New York that seem to have a program in packaging so I'd really like your advice and thoughts on how possible it is to pursue an engineering degree and work their way into the packaging industry. 

    Thank you so much for any insight you could provide!  Thank you for your time and input.



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    Allison Lippa
    Lancaster NY
    (716) 681-1112
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  • 2.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-19-2023 12:51 PM

    Packaging encompasses many disciplines so concentration in a discipline that the Packaging industry relies on can be a benefit. Look into Sustainability sciences, or logistics degrees. Both are hot beds of activity for the Packaging Industry right now. Also material sciences can be helpful as well. Plastics, ceramics, metallurgy, etc could be areas to look into. Also, look into the scholarship programs the IoPP offers. Good luck with your continuing education. 



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    James Naze
    Senior Packaging Engineer
    Boston Scientific Corporation
    Marlborough MA
    (978) 833-4563
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  • 3.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-20-2023 05:23 PM

    I agree with the other comment relative to investigating disciplines and degrees close to the packaging field which is not as difficult as it was say 20-30 years ago.  Packaging impacts everyone's lives and the growth in the amount of schools and programs offering it now shows that.  While fortune 500 consumer goods companies have large packaging and marketing departments, smaller companies operate much more lean and I have seen dozens of examples where for example a mechanical engineer is also tasked with packaging engineering as a means to keep headcount reduced.  When you choose your program you will likely need to go on an internship or two so that also might be an avenue to stay close to packaging if the internship is as well - maybe it is a supply chain internship but the role/experience is heavy in freight/pallets/cube utilization, etc.  Or maybe a marketing internship is in graphics design which will inherently put you in touch with the packaging engineering side.  I assume it is also commonplace now for companies to invest in their employees and pay for schooling so that could be a future option as well - get a mechanical degree or environmental degree, supply chain, marketing, etc. and go back to school and have your employer pay for the packaging specific education you want.  IOPP also offers several courses and programs that are beneficial to seasoned packaging engineers as well those folks that have had the packaging engineering role added to their plate and need to learn more about it.



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    Mike Chapman
    Corporate Packaging Engineer
    Brass Craft Manufacturing Co.
    Novi MI
    (248) 374-3817
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  • 4.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-22-2023 10:51 AM

    Allison,

    Fellow WNY resident here. Yes, private University is very expensive. You are smart for being consciences of those loans. Many, many years ago, I was in the same situation. I LOVE RIT and Packaging Sciences Department and I think there is a great opportunity there but there are many ways to get into packaging. I went to SUNY Brockport for an unrelated field and found packaging years later via my Dad. Through IoPP and other organizations, I have been able to further educate myself and today I am a fairly well round packaging professional. I would tell you that getting your BS in any area of study is critical to break into good roles in the professional world. Find an area of study that you like and are passionate about. If I could do it all over, I would have studied environmental science as sustainability is HUGE today everywhere. The WNY IoPP Chapter is very active and we mentor and meet with many people. There is a packaging career fair at RIT in February for students, I wonder if you could get on the invite list to check it out....



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    Tom Seymour CPP
    Business Development Specialist
    Bison Bag Co
    Lockport NY
    (585) 797-3436
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  • 5.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-20-2023 05:27 PM

    Always apply for scholarships through the college.  I've heard at UW Stout, they have more scholarships than applicants.  There are several similar degrees and programs you can get that are not packaging, but you can still end up working in a packaging role depending on the area you want to get into.  Most the time employers are just want to know you have a college degree, after that it comes to your work ethic, experience, and how well you can sell yourself in the interview.  Most programs do require a co-op / internship, and if you are looking at going into a packaging industry the advantage is at the school because many employers will come to the school for interviews, and post them on the school sites.  

    Packaging is also a very broad industry, so the depending on what part of it you are wanting to do into, there would be some other degree options available as well.  I know several corrugated designers who went more to a tech school learning more of the CADD software and design that way vs starting out with a college degree.  Then there are other people who have more of a chemical science degree, as they work more with plastics / chemicals withing the packaging industry.  

    UW Stout does have a good Career Services website that has several resources as well, and one of them is placement rates, and average starting salary.  https://www.uwstout.edu/academics/career-services/career-outcomes/science-engineering-career-outcomes  As you can see there are several similar degree but the outcome can be pretty different.  

    Good Luck,

    Corey



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    Corey Nugent
    Engineer, New Business Development
    Great Northern Laminations
    Appleton WI
    (920) 740-6143
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  • 6.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-20-2023 05:43 PM

    Hi Allison,

    I am happy to hear you have discovered a love for packaging and are interested in pursuing a degree in Packaging.  I understand the cost concern and recommend you look into the BS degree at UW Stout. It is the second oldest Packaging degree program and has historically been among the most affordable. In addition it has a great co-op program, at or near 100% job placement, lots of scholarship money and students are highly recruited by some of the best companies in the country.

    if you decide to pursue other degrees I agree with others that recommend material sciences related to packaging but you may also want to consider manufacturing, industrial design or graphics related programs.

    Good luck with your decision!



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    Robert Meisner CPP-Fellow, CPLP
    Packaging Professional
    RM Package Consulting
    Menomonie WI
    (937) 657-5381
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  • 7.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-20-2023 06:40 PM
    Hi Allison,
    Thanks for reaching out to the group and seeking some direction.

    Packaging professional is a fantastic career and just like the earlier response, it encompasses all aspects of engineering subjects.

    My first degree was in Chemical Engineering, I later got my masters in Packaging.It was easier for me to transition considering my engineering background.

    We need new and up coming Packaging professionals like yourself because the importance of the profession cannot be over emphasized. 

    Firstly , we want to ensure every product is contained, protected and preserved for tomorrow.

    Recently, we're tasked with making sure the materials used are sustainable. With limited resources and the need to make the world a better place to live, packaging professionals must find a way to help reduce carbon footprint.

    There are several institutions that offer this career path and IoPP is one of that body.

    We are here to support and guide, please feel free to connect and keep asking questions. You are in the right place and best of luck on your choice.

    Thanks 
    Bethel Ibemere (CPP)
    Packaging Engineer 





  • 8.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-21-2023 09:36 AM

    Allison,

    I like my any others here are happy to hear of your interest in packaging.  I began my journey into packaging after having received a Bachelors in Business Admin and then getting an MBA.  There was quite a bit to learn that I was missing from an engineering and science side, but after 10 years, I am our second lead technologist at our company in packaging.  I would suggest getting a degree in material science, industrial/process engineering, chemistry, or even graphic design/ business administration if you are more interested in the marketing and artwork piece of packaging.  Sustainability science or logistics would also be strong degrees that are aligned with packaging industry.  Packaging touches all parts of manufacturing and sales these days so there are ways to get into the industry with many degrees.  Joining IOPP and using its resources, attending trade shows, and studying whitepapers are all great ways to get knowledge about packaging as well. 

    Good luck on your journey! 



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    Jonathan Godfrey CPP
    Jadex Inc
    Joppa MD
    (443) 377-8977
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  • 9.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-21-2023 10:02 AM

    Hi Allison,

    Others have made great points here on alternative subjects that may related to packaging. Another good packaging school is Clemson University. Not sure if you can get a scholarship there. Many company pays (all or partial) for their employee's continued education if it is related to their business. I went into the packaging field after I got my BS in Chemistry and MBA. Now I am studying master's in Packaging at MSU with my employer's sponsorship. I would also say keep your interest in packaging and the learnings can be from many sources other than a school program. 

    Good luck! 



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    Yang Li CPP
    Global Business Coordinator
    TricorBraun
    St. Louis MO
    (314) 983-2077
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  • 10.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 12-23-2023 03:21 PM

    Hey Allison,

    Fellow Upstate New Yorker, and, RIT Packaging Alum. I think I can offer some tips and tricks to make RIT a bit more affordable.

    For context, I paid for RIT myself, granted this was a few years ago, and, I've seen some eye watering price tags at RIT recently. If I was to go to RIT today here's what I would do. I would look for a 2+2 program. That is, I would go to a local Community College or SUNY School to get an Associates Degree. I recommend MCC just down the road from RIT. Since you're instate you'd get a break on tuition. Then I would transfer over to RIT for the final two years to get the Bachelors Degree in Packaging Science. This approach can cut your cost in half if not more. With good grades you unlock academic based aid which can be even more helpful when you transfer to RIT. The 2+2 path requires planning ahead. I'd recommend a call to whichever local school you choose and a call to RIT's admissions to ensure that your credits would transfer. This https://www.rit.edu/admissions/transfer is the transfer admissions URL at RIT. I do know that MCC in Rochester NY had a nice program with RIT which a few friends utilized. 

    Additionally, and if possible, I would get yourself off of your parent's tax filings! I might even do this before going to the local Community or SUNY school to land financial need based aid. You mentioned that you don't qualify for financial aid, I am guessing that is due to your parent's income?  If you can become independent then you can become eligible for need based aid assuming you don't have a lucrative business or side hustle yourself! This will take some work and I would chat with your parents and whoever does taxes. I did start to file independently and opened myself up to sizable aid packages, including a Pell grant which covered the cost of local community schools for a year. I also negotiated with RIT for aid once I received my initial offer. ChatGPT or even a google search for an email template on financial aid negotiations goes a long way! 

    I would also reach out to Dan Johnson dpjeie@rit.edu who is the Packaging Department Chair at RIT, to learn more about the Packaging Departments scholarships and grants. RIT alums can also recommend you for small scholarships that are only available to you via a recommendation letter. 

    Once you're ready to start at RIT I would recommend contacting Alexis Rich alripk@rit.edu who runs the Dynamics Lab. It's great experience, and, good pay for a college student. You'll be running packaging tests on real product for a lot of companies. 

    You may or may not know but RIT requires several paid internship blocks be completed as a graduation requirement. That may not mean you need to wait until you're a student to take advantage of this. Reach out to the career fair folks, or the Packaging Department and see if you can get a list of contacts from businesses that show up for the packaging departments career fair, then network early and often. See if you can land a co-op/internship before you start at RIT! A few friends had part time jobs with local Rochester companies that doubled as a co-op. 

    If you wanted to go to Michigan State the trick would be to move to Michigan for however long it would take to be considered a local resident then apply for instate tuition. This a long game but it pays off! Then I would recommend the above tax tip, and, applications to financial need based aid, then work toward academic performance based aid.

    Best,

    Nick  



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    Nick Freudenvoll
    Rochester NY
    (585) 568-7284
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  • 11.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 01-02-2024 10:41 AM
    Edited by Jason McLawhorn 01-02-2024 10:43 AM

    Allison, 

    Reading through the previous responses, there is a lot of great information there. 

    Definitely look into scholarships and grants. In addition to the universities mentioned, you may want to look into Va. Tech's Packaging Systems and Design degree. As a supplement to any non-packaging degree, you can also look into The Packaging School; they offer several packaging classes and certificates, one of which is offered through Clemson's Center for Corporate Learning (Certificate of Mastery in Packaging Management - CMPM), and all are on line. 

    I personally, started working for a small packaging company in their testing/ design lab as a sample maker and test technician, with only a high school diploma. Along the way, I have an earned an AAS in General Engineering Technology with a concentration in Computer Aided Drafting and Design from a local community college, a BS in Industrial Technology w/ a Concentration in Distribution and Logistics, with a Minor in Industrial Tech Management from East Carolina University (online), the CMPM from Clemson/The Packaging School and the following certifications: Packaging Dynamics Professional (PDP) from ISTA, Certified Packaging Professional (CPP) from IoPP, and Certified in Transpiration and Logistics from the Association for Supply Chain Management (ASCM - formerly American Production and Inventory Control Society - APICS). Much of of this was paid for by my employers. 

    There are many paths to becoming a packaging professional, just explore all of your options and decide which one is best for you. 

    Reaching out to current packaging professionals was a great start on your path! 



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    Jason McLawhorn CPPL, CTL, PDP
    Packaging Engineer
    BSH Home Appliance Corporation
    New Bern NC
    (252) 639-7609
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  • 12.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 01-02-2024 03:44 PM

    I forgot to add, The Packaging School has several free online courses too. 



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    Jason McLawhorn CPPL, CTL, PDP
    Packaging Engineer
    BSH Home Appliance Corporation
    New Bern NC
    (252) 639-7609
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  • 13.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 01-04-2024 08:54 AM

    Thank you to everyone who replied to my message or reached out to me.  You all have given me great advice and some things to think about.  I am hopeful and determined!

    Thank you all again!



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    Allison Lippa
    Lancaster NY
    (716) 681-1112
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  • 14.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 01-09-2024 11:05 AM

    Hi Allison- Your hunch re: pursuing a general engineering degree, not specifically a "packaging degree", and then migrating into the packaging field, is spot on. I'm guessing most IOPP member do not have packaging degrees.  I'm a EE with nuclear graduate work (thank you, US Navy!), but now am IOPP Certified.  A pretty good example of there not needing to be a straight line in your educational path into the packaging realm.  Also, don't discount the high quality of many community colleges in getting the first 2 years under your belt at a tremendous savings, and then transferring to a 4-year school to finish up.  Here in VA, if you maintain a certain GPA at community college you have a fast track acceptance into one of the state 4-year institutions, including UVA.  Hopefully, NY state has a similar program.  Finally, the fact that you found your way to get membership and post here, on the IOPP website, is a great testimony to your resourcefulness.  Good luck on your educational journey!  



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    Richard Marshall CPP
    Technology Manager - North American Supply Chain
    HALEON Consumer Healthcare
    Richmond VA
    (434) 908-6498
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  • 15.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 01-11-2024 08:24 AM

    Good morning Allison!

    Sorry I am late to the game on this one - it sounds like you have gotten a ton of great advice though! I didn't necessarily choose packaging right out of high school like you have - but it is an absolutely wonderful field to get into! I actually went for biomedical engineering at my much, much less expensive local university (with scholarships and grants). I ended up with a co-op in the packaging department at a med device company, and that co-op eventually turned into a career I love.

    I would look at getting internships in packaging departments while getting through your degree to start off with some experience. After that, there are usually a decent amount of contract engineering positions you could go for after graduation (at least in med device), if you don't get a full-time position right out of school. If you have the time and resources, take extra classes in packaging-related fields that interest you (i.e. maybe there are business/logistics courses, marketing, graphic design, machinery, etc). 

    Otherwise just keep active with IoPP and PMMI where you can. There are tons of webinars and classes and learning experiences! And generally packaging engineers are extremely supportive hand happy to help, so don't hesitate to reach out. I wish you the best of luck on your journey!



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    Allison Rearick
    Packaging Engineer
    W. L. Gore and Associates
    Elkton MD
    (443) 566-3078
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  • 16.  RE: High School Student looking for advice on the packaging field

    Posted 01-19-2024 12:59 PM

    You all have given me lots to think about and I have been doing lots of research.  The packaging programs costs at RIT and Michigan State are really outside my comfort zone.  I really think I need to look at my in State schools programs.

    The University of Buffalo has a Dept of Environment and Sustainability which has a BS in Environmental Science and BA in Environmental Sustainability, but UB also many "Engineering" programs like Industrial, Mechanical and Environmental.  I read many of you recommend looking at environmental/sustainability because that is a hot area now, but wondering if starting in a traditional engineering program would be a broader path that if packaging didn't work out.   I would appreciate your thoughts!

    If I choose the engineering path, I definitely will look at internships in companies that have packaging departments and pursue specialized training through IOPP. 

    Thank you!



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    Allison Lippa
    Lancaster NY
    (716) 681-1112
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